you cannot give the impression that a public school is sponsoring prayer or religion. you just can't do it. that's how it is. it's open and shut, black and white. the school is going to shut down and they're not going to be allowed to do that. you want to bring posters in the stands, you can do that. but the students can't lead the charge and that's what's going to be stopped here. >> avery, why do you see this as laughable and what is this hearing all about then? >> well, what's laughable is that you got it exactly right. the amazing thing about this -- >> you're in agreement. >> no, sometimes, richard, you get it right. and he is right. the fact is the law is absolutely clear on this. look, it's a local state judge. you have to know east texas. this is not austin, this is the beaumont area and i understand. there is no constitutional way a judge can stop the school district from barring these signs. if you want to hold up a sign that says god favors your side over the other side, that's fine. but if it's as part of the government activity, that is, the public school